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transfered from old boardChris TackettApr 21, 06 - 5:22 PM Fuel Well been pulling this week and fuel prices are still on the raise. Got to know is anyone having luck asking for more money on prices? What is the price of fuel in your state? FL $2.87 Email: Ctack417@yahoo.com Contact # 502-817-8610 Rolling River Transport Apr 21st, 2006 - 5:29 PM Re: Fuel Howdy! Dan here Diesel in Albany,Ny is $3.10 back home in Iowa it was $2.85 when we left Wed. Gary Apr 21st, 2006 - 8:01 PM Re: Fuel California $3.15 Utah $2.85 to $2.99 Email: freightbroker@verizon.net Website: http://www.flatbedcarrier.com Contact # 760-868-4932 Gary Apr 22nd, 2006 - 7:39 AM Re: Fuel All the big truckstops post there fuel prices for each State on there websites. I keep there websites in my favorites. So far they've been pretty accurate. Before I book anything for my truck I look at the fuel prices along the route to see how much the run is going to cost me. And it never hurts to ask for more money before you book a load. I work my calculater all day long when other brokers offer me freight and if the freight rate isn't where I need it to be, I tell them politley I can't do the run unless the rate comes up. There's a few brokers that realize the fuel prices determine what we can move our trucks for. The way the fuels rising in CA, NY and FL allready it doesn't look good for any of us. We really have to plan ahead and make sure we don't get into a area where we have to deadhead out of. Email: freightbroker@verizon.net Website: http://www.flatbedcarrier.com Contact # 760-868-4932 Matthew Moore Apr 22nd, 2006 - 2:03 PM Re: Fuel Every one check this out!!! I have been doing this for a while now and it works great. I use it in my car and my semi. some of the guys on website are seeing increases in dodge 1 tons as much as 7 miles more per gallon. I ask U all to chack my website out and call the number below. then call me if u have any questions!!! This rocks do not miss out!!! save big on fuel and make some extra cash while doing it. www.fuelsaverdoc.mybpbiz.com(just Like that) 212-461-2520 listen to option 2 then 1 Matthew- 804-652-8743 Email: mktruckingexpress@hotmail.com Website: http://www.fuelsaverdoc.mybpbiz.com Contact # 801-652-8743 Gary Apr 26th, 2006 - 6:10 AM Re: Fuel Southern California fuel prices have really jumped in the last week. I'm seeing desiel at the local gas stations including the truckstops for $3.40 to $3.70 per gallon. I take back what I said about the truckstop websites being pretty accurate. I checked the Pilot website today for Southern California Fuel prices and they are way off. Before anyone takes a load out west make sure you figure the fuel prices. Email: freightbroker@verizon.net Website: http://www.flatbedcarrier.com Contact # 760-868-4932 Gary Apr 27th, 2006 - 10:54 AM Re: Fuel Southern California $3.52 a gallon at the Pilot yesterday and been rising steady all week. Email: freightbroker@verizon.net Website: http://www.flatbedcarrier.com Contact # 760-868-4932 Tad Apr 27th, 2006 - 5:11 PM Re: Fuel Lets see, this pill is supposed to increase my milage by 25% yet, they cost 75.00 per bottle. Seems like by the time you average it out you don't really save alot. I think biodiesel or a wvo mix is the best route. Email: gocart@clearshottrucking.com Contact # 888-248-8640 matthew moore Apr 27th, 2006 - 7:01 PM Re: Fuel you can get it cheaper. send me your address and i will send u a free sample to show u that it saves not costs u. thanks matthew mktruckingexpress@hotmail.com or call me at 801-652-8743 Email: mktruckingexpress@hotmail.com Contact # 801-652-8743 matthew moore Apr 27th, 2006 - 7:04 PM Re: Fuel also a bottle of pills treats 320 gallon and the powder treats about 384 gallons. Email: mktruckingexpress@hotmail.com Contact # 801-652-8743 NEdually Apr 30th, 2006 - 8:01 PM Re: Fuel 2.79 today. Gotta love Jersey for something! Email: rrrent@gmail.com Tad May 6th, 2006 - 7:45 PM Re: Fuel MO, 2.65 gal @ FJ on 55 Email: gocart@clearshottrucking.com Kelly's Hotshot & equip. May 6th, 2006 - 7:54 PM Re: Fuel Ok is 2.85 Nm is 3.10. INSANE!!!!!!!!! Email: kellyshotshot@adelphia.net Contact # 620-655-5055 Don Adams dba Moose On The Loose Transporters May 6th, 2006 - 8:19 PM Re: Fuel Just got back from a run to the east coast. When I left Oregon fuel here was $2.73 paid $3.17 today. Most average on the total trip was $2.87. Email: mooseontheloosetransporters@comcast.net Website: http://www.mooseontheloosetransporters.com Contact # 503-888-5622 Kelly's Hotshot & Equip May 7th, 2006 - 10:45 AM Re: Fuel Does Mathew Moore remind anybody else of Matehw Lesko You know the guy on tv with the question marks all over his jacket? HAHA Email: kellyshotshot@adelphia.net Tad May 7th, 2006 - 11:22 AM Re: Fuel Hahahahaha..........uh-huh Email: gocart@clearshottrucking.com Contact # 888-248-8640 matthew moore May 7th, 2006 - 1:09 PM Re: Fuel HAHAHA at least I am not paying out the WAZO for Fuel! Make fun all u want. u are just hurting your self by never trying something new. ever think out side of the box? As for your freight rate that u did to the east u should have got at least 500 per day sitting and 1.35 per mile with a .31 cent per mile fuel surcharge. This is the min. of what my trucks run for in the east. also here in chicago fuel is $3.09 a gallon. Email: mktruckingexpress@hotmail.com Contact # 801-652-8743 Tad May 7th, 2006 - 2:59 PM Re: Fuel Yeah, I have been averaging between 1.90-2.10 a mile fully loaded. I'd like to know your broker, I have yet to have one tell me muchless give me fuel surcharges. Only ones I have seen get them are the full size rigs. Email: gocart@clearshottrucking.com Contact # 888-248-8640 Kelly\'s Hotshot & equip. May 7th, 2006 - 5:27 PM Re: Fuel My mileage was a little low at 1.25 but my daily rate was around $700 a day. I turned out alright on the deal I think I was higher than some an lower than others. thanks for responding guys your help means alot to me while Im just starting out. P.S. Who says I havent tried it.... and just exactly what kind of mileage are you pulling Matthew??? We have 5 one tons and 3 3/4 tons they all do very well on mileage a few are exceptional I'd put them against any truck and their all stock... Email: kellyshotshot@adelphia.net Contact # 620-655-5055 Gary May 8th, 2006 - 5:38 PM Re: Fuel We added some lucas injector cleaner to the tank the other day and we seen the fuel mileage go up 3 miles to the gallon in our Dodge. We just happen to find half a bottle in the shed. In the old days we would pour a bottle of automatic transmission fluid in each saddle tank once every 3 months to keep the injectors clean. We used 2 quarts to treat 250 gallons. It worked great. I'm not sure if it would cause any problems in these new computerized engines? Email: freightbroker@verizon.net Website: http://www.flatbedcarrier.com Contact # 760-868-4932 Kelly\'s Hotshot & Equip May 9th, 2006 - 7:18 AM Re: Fuel Gary, I can save you some trouble with the injector cleaner. It will in time cause proplems with the newer trucks we had a couple of hands putting the stuff in alot i mean by the tank almost. It did boost the mileage in a one ton 4 dr 4wd dualy to almot 28 mi/gal but with time the truck started runing like crap ie. injector problems, computer problems even had to have the tank cleaned from some kind of funky build up so be careful I think a guy could use some in moderation but some peoples idea of moderation is different than others... Kelly's Hoshot Email: kellyshotshot@adelphia.net Tad May 9th, 2006 - 8:37 AM Re: Fuel I run diesel kleen, half a small bottle(gray), every trip out which is about 5-7k. It keeps the water out and injectors clean. I have a diesel jetta that I have run the same thing through for over a year now and has caused NO problems. They use the bosch pump as well, never had a lick of problems with it or the injectors. However, its like he said, if used in moderation you shouldn't have any problems but everyones views are different as to what moderation is. Email: gocart@clearshottrucking.com Contact # 888-248-8640 Mike Rodriguez May 9th, 2006 - 8:47 AM Re: Fuel Gary I to used to put a little ATF in my fuel tank to help out the old Fuel Pumps. But I would not do it today, If you get stopped at the Scales or Port of Entry of CA. or AZ and your fuel tanks get dipped and they show any thing but CLEAR FUEL get ready for a real Large Fine, The Brochure that they gave me states red Dye and Blueish colored fuel OR anything Other Than CLEAR Fuel. I was getting my fuel, when I was ticketed, at a large Fueling and Repair center at the time and it seems that they were dumping there Oil from oil changes into the Fuel Tanks as a way to get rid of it. I was lucky, I did spend a lot of time, in Court fighting it and finally won ,but only because I had receipts showing that I had bought ALL of my fuel from them. I have been dipped at, Cajon Pass, Yuma, Oregon, and Nevada, Last time I was dipped, I was pulled in at the Port of Entry of AZ,Yuma-to get dipped only as Prepass Authorited me to proceed. Hope this saves any of you some headaches. Mike Rodriguez. Email: mrtruck@cox.net Mike Rodriguez May 9th, 2006 - 8:51 AM Re: Fuel Guys what I forgot to say if any of these Fuel Additives that these Snake oil Salemen are selling leaves a colored resedue, other than Clear, what is your real savings after you pay or fight the Fines. After checking the Warranty on my CAT engine, I find that It can or will Void by Warranty. Mike R. Email: mrtruck@cox.net Tom Cobb May 9th, 2006 - 8:57 PM Re: Fuel I will consider using this stuff AFTER several have run their engines for a few hundred thousand miles to test it. Additives can play hell with fuel systems, especially diesels. GM will void the warranty if it is not an approved additive. Email: bigttransport@sbcglobal.net Kelly\\'s Hotshot & Equip May 9th, 2006 - 11:20 PM Re: Fuel Guys, Just look at it this way when you put sugar in your tea..not all of it goes away. What do ya think happens with this pill business, if it starts as a solid its going to leave some behind. I worked with Chemicals for 10 years all of them are about 20% good stuff and 80% filler, just something to cut down the potency so you can touch it safely and thats a fact... Email: kellyshotshot@adelphia.net matthew moore May 10th, 2006 - 5:48 PM Re: Fuel where do u come up with this stuff. take my product put it in a clean glass jar and watch for your self. Once in gas or diesel it desloves. do the test your self in a glass jar and see what is left. it causes a chemical reaction. and yes just like lucas use to much and u cause harm to your system! i have used additives in both and gas and diesel for years and have never had problems but again i follow the amount they say to use. look at the people using this. if it caused problems it would not be doing as well as is it. go to my website read the iso reports. the epa report. read the testimonies of these other people and see what this stuff dose. it has been around for over 11 years just not in the usa. www.fuelsaverdoc.mybpbiz.com Email: mktruckingexpress@hotmail.com Contact # 801-652-8743 Kelly's Hotshot & Equip May 10th, 2006 - 7:54 PM Re: Fuel I dont just come up with stuff like that. I worked for Halliburton for 10 years the products they make is only to treat oil and gas wells. We did alot of wells where we would pump thousands and thousands of gallons of diesel at a time we could not use over the counter chem. to treat the fuel cause it would leave to much crap left over and yes the pill and the powder was one of them. Take a good look at the stuff that is in it and tell me how many you think are there to actually treat the fuel. Not trying to be an a$$ it is just the salesman deal gets a little old. If we all bought everything everytime someone said it worked look at what this guy said, we would all be out of business quick. One more thing, have you done the math on this stuff do you relize it actually adds .12 per/gal. to your fuel cost.(if you get 30 gal. when you fill up) that is not counting the first two tanks you use it where you double the pills. Sorry man I dont have the energy to do the math and see how much my fuel mileage has to go up to make that worth it. But I do know I will not raise the price of fuel myself that is just crazy.... Email: kellyshotshot@adelphia.net D. Green May 10th, 2006 - 8:01 PM Re: Fuel I read here, post seldomly. But, this fuel pill biz warrants warning to would be customers. I was offered a "dealership" in this stuff, but am not swayed by marketing hype. The numerous studies touted are anonymous. The company will not give a correct lab name, report number, or chemist's name that performed the test. Sorry, I don't believe first name only web testimonials as to the benefits. A quick search of the net will bring numerous reputable sites debunking BioPerformance & FFI, the two leading MLM's in this scheme. Here's just one article that details the labs name, the head chemist, & test parameters. Ya'll decide for yourself. If you're looking for a marketing scheme, it may not be bad. But don't expect greatly increased fuel savings... http://www.wesh.com/news/9161874/detail.html Email: drgreenco@gmail.com Matthew Moore May 12th, 2006 - 9:20 AM Re: Fuel Remember the man on the world renown TV Show called, SURVIVOR "THE AUSTRALIAN OUTBACK" who fell into a fire and had to be rescued by a helicopter? Mike Skupin is his name! Well, Mike is in BioPerformance, and very close to being a Sr. Vice President!!!! Read below a letter from Mike of his response to the negative news report from the Orlando, FL about BioPerformance. BioPerformance takes money from the pockets of the oil- rich companies by giving Americans up to 25% or more savings on their fuel consumption and puts the money back into the hands of the American people where it belongs!!!! The rich oil companies are mad--- and WE ARE GLAD!!! Mike Skupin>>>>> www.mikeskupin.com You'll remember Mike "Scoop" Skupin from CBS's hit reality show SURVIVOR "THE AUSTRALIAN OUTBACK". This popular show became the most watched show in the history of television. Mike is best known for killing a wild boar with his bare hands so his tribe could eat and also was the guy who was headed for the winning circle when he tragically passed out into a fire and was medi-vaced by helicopter to the hospital. 5 different burn surgeons told Mike he'd have to have skin graft surgery to repair his hands. After 10 days in the intensive care unit, as Mike was being wheeled to surgery, the chief of surgery removed his bandages and said "I've been the Chief of Surgery in the number one burn center in Australia for 35 years and what's happened to your hands in medically in explainable. Mike's story is incredibly inspirational about how his hands were miraculously healed and life's lessons he learned in the Outback. Mike talks about how stripped of everything familiar to him including food, shelter, electronics, cell phones, pagers, family and friends, he was able to see so much more clearly the life he was missing out on. His popularity has only increased since the show aired in 2001 as his "post-survivor" events have landed him in the national headlines on seven different occasions from being asked by George W. Bush to run for US Senate and a plane crash to an escape from a burning building and being voted as the 23rd most memorable moment in the history of television.. Mike and family suffered the loss of his father to cancer when he was only four. But with the support of a wonderful mother and God's blessing, he was successful in school and sports from an early age. His career has consisted of being the top sales man, sales manager and district manager for 3M corporation, surgical and operating room equipment sales, and serving as a water-ski instructor. Michael co-founded a software publishing and distribution company called Rhinosoft Interactive in 1992 where he currently serves as president. Through creative distribution and downloads, his company has produced over 35 million CD's. Mike has spoken to over 1200 times to over 5 million people at live events and over one billion people through television, radio and print media. He speaks all over the world at schools, churches, camps, corporate events, stadium events and has made a lifetime commitment to sharing motivational and inspirational messages. Mike has several messages including; Breaking the "I Can't" Attitude, "How To Motivated in an Unmotivated World", "Leadership & What makes Great Leaders" "Several Customized Sales Training Programs", "How to Have a Real Relationship with Your Wife and Kids", "Destructive Behaviors and How to Avoid them Permanently" Originally from Farmington Hills, Michigan, Skupin currently lives in White Lake, Michigan with his wife Karen and their 7 children. Michael (17), Kalyn (15), Brandon (10), Emily ( , Jaclyn (7), Leo (4) and Kristy (1). Mike is in BioPerformance, and very close to being a Sr. Vice President!!!! AWESOME! AWESOME! AWESOME! AWESOME! AWESOME! AWESOME! Subject: Please Read this about the Orlando News Story, Opinion from Mike Skupin, AWESOME!!! Mike Skupin wrote: Regarding the Orlando News story about Bioperformance....... Rest assured it's pure, grade A, BUNK ! Here are the reasons that you have not seen the last of them, this will not alter our destiny in any way. First of all...think about this....... When did the liberal media all of a sudden become credible?? When did they start caring about the truth or integrity over a story and being first to air with it?? If the FTC started making them accountable for what they reported.....things would be much different but they don't so they aren't !! 1.) Michelle Meredith is the beat reporter that has a reputation in her area for stirring up trouble (not too hard to believe when you see her in action). She is not after the truth, just after a story. Her "facts" are nothing but opinions created and sensationalized to keep her on the payroll. Hey...she's gotta eat 2.) Her test of the product was not in accordance to the directions...the ratios of product were off considerably.....the driving conditions were not real and the lab was not certified, accredited or valid in any way. He even said..."We dumped a whole bunch of pills into the tank"......we all know ratios are important when achieving optimal results with this product. Too much or too little can actually decrease mileage. 3.) She claims she had the products tested and that they were mothballs with coloring and even showed a graph to support her "claims"...seemed pretty valid didn't it? What they forgot to mention and its something we should all be aware of.....our product is made up of 3 enzymes and a catalyst. Remember back in chemistry 101. You can't reverse engineer an enzyme (Google it if you have more questions) ...this alone completely invalidates her entire story.....in other words...she lied. Our product has been the goto product for saving gas for 18 years !! It's been virtually competition free because IT SIMPLY CANNOT BE COPIED! Or reverse engineered to find out what's in it. 4.) She further claimed that mothballs were used in the 60's to save $$ on gas.....again....not true. Drag racing enthusiasts attempted to use moth balls to increase the octane or horsepower of the vehicles to win races but it was quickly discovered to wreck engines so the use of it was stopped immediately. It never had anything to do with gas mileage.....yet another misrepresentation.....she's on a roll. 5.) What she also didn't tell you (like you'll be surprised) was that Lowell and Ernie agreed to an interview with them if they would sign a disclosure agreeing to not edit, twist or sensationalize it. They simply asked her to air the interview in its entirety....in other words, report the truth. They declined...I'll bet you are not surprised. Unfortunately, the truth is not always as exciting and they know that. 6.) They showed the meeting and a bunch of excited people and tried to make you believe it was structured like a religious revival meeting. That could not be farther from the truth again. Although Lowell and others may have a strong faith...it is kept very separate.....and the excited people....wouldn't you if you became financially independent, quit your job and started living the life you've always dreamed of. A ground floor opportunity like this one offers that potential for all of us. She showed Lowell and others not wanting to talk to her.....Lowell is smart enough not to get trapped, misquoted, mis-edited, misrepresented, etc. I'm thankful he's intelligent enough to get as far away from people like her......we are with the right company. We will release this to the media and the world on our terms, our way....the right way. We're not the first company she has falsely ripped on the air and we wont be the last....fortunately.....people do know the media has very little integrity, is not credible and if we lived our lives based on what they reported we'd all be in real trouble. Remember the movie "Super-Size Me"......when people watched in, they stopped eating fast food altogether for a week at best...guess what? Sales are now at an all-time high.....this will not affect BP or your success in any unless you let it. We've even discovered one of our two complaints to the Texas Better Business Bureau were from a guy who works at the competition.....mmmmmm makes you wonder where some of this stuff comes from. Good Morning America aired nationally a similar report about an "almost" competitor of ours that came into the market a couple months ago.....again, their data was shotty, their test was not according to the product specs and they made similar claims. I heard about it for 2-3 days and then like everything else it went away......we have data, studies and testimonies to support EVERYTHING we claim. Know this......... Whatever test any beat reporter may do will never be compared to the data, studies, testimonies and test results that we have. ISO 9000 is the most thorough testing agency on the planet outside of medical products. ISO 9000 studies are performed on product going onto automobiles, airplanes, space shuttles, etc. They not only verify corporate stability but they test the manufacturing process and the product claims. We passed excellently in ALL areas. There are also several additional independent tests that supported ISO 9000 findings. We have ISO 9000 tests from 1989, 1995 and 2006. NOBODY ELSE HAS THAT......NOBODY EVER WILL. All you have to do is read the studies from ISO 9000, independent auto-labs, etc and you will see facts, not opinion. Flat out...our product works....... Any car, any time Foreign or domestic Car or truck Gas or diesel New or old Large or small My Ford Excursion...the largest, gas sucking vehicle on the planet went from 13.2 mpg to 19.1 mpg......that's results !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Don't let the Negative Nelly's of this world keep you from the life you've always dreamed of living. Bioperformance not only manufactures an awesome product but has already changed the lives of hundreds of people and......we're just getting started !!!!! Remember too...this won't be the last time somebody is going to take shots at us.....it's just the last time we're going to believe them. I believe I'm going to be one of those millionaires Lowell keeps talking about.....why not you? Mike Skupin www.mikeskupin.com Email: mktruckingexpress@hotmail.com Website: http://www.fuelsaverdoc.mybpbiz.com Contact # 801-652-8743 NEdually May 12th, 2006 - 7:45 PM Re: Fuel actually 19.2mpg would be "the life I've always dreamed of living." Tom May 13th, 2006 - 2:25 PM Re: Fuel Maybe this will clear the air!! From Landline Now, this months issue. Hopefull I have managed to copy it all over. If not, Landline Now, page 100: PAUL SAYS II - ---- --- .. 1"- -. . . A bop * pills in your &I tanl: watch the s ~ / i hy in! . . BY ~au&i ve been accused of inconsistency ~~~ 2 Some industry suppliers and potential advertisers have gone so far as to call it favoritism, or worse. Why? Because before writing about some products that claim to dramatically improve fuel mileage, I insist on seeing verifiable, independent testing done by independent testing facilities. Yet, I write about other mpgimproving products without insisting on those tests. The Society of Automotive Engineers and the Technology & Maintenance Council jointly developed recommended practices that objectively eliminate all variables - such as weather, speed, terrain, drivers' skills and practices, etc. - leaving the item under test as the only variable. There are ways to test items that immediately make a difference and test procedures for items that need long-term break-in or conditioning, such as oil treatments or slow acting system cleaners. There are two credible tests designed by SAEflMC to evaluate products. One is for products that can be moved from truck to truck. The other test is for products that are truck specific. Both tests are accurate within plus or minus 1 percent. Suppliers resist running these tests for two reasons: The tests are extremely expensive and sometimes suppliers know their products won't pass. One fdl test sequence can cost fiom $30,000 to more than $100,000. For a small supplier earning only 5 percent on sales, that means selling as much as $600,000 to $2 million worth of additional product, and that's just to pay the testers. Supplier time and travel are extra. Another reason some suppliers avoid having independent testing done is because they know their claims are exaggerated and their products don't work - at least not as well as they say So, why do I insist that some products be SAE/m/rC tested and others not? Because if products apply known principles of physics to trucking, or adapt technologies from other modes of transport, I evaluate whether they make sense. Examples are some of the aerodynamic devices made for tractors, trailers and truck bodies. Vortex generators have long been used on aircrafi to smooth airflow and reduce drag. If they work on aircraft, where evethat goes on an airplane must be approved by It takes common sense when the Federal Aviation Administration, reason says they'll work on ground vehicles, too. Trailer skirts and cab extenders fit this category I wrote about doublewide tires before formal testing was completed, because logic said they would save fuel. It is widely accepted that much of a tire's rolling resistance comes &om its sidewalls flexing. By eliminating one-half the sidewalls from each set of duals, wide-based singles were bound to increase fuel economy The only question was, "by how much?" Unlike products based on sound science, other products defy logic. Like Magnets and other devices that damponto or splice into fuel lines always amaze me. Have you ever tried to magnetize fuel? Here's a little experiment. Put a little bit of diesel fuel on a dean glass or ceramic dish. Paper will absorb the fuel, and plastic may react with it. Now hold a magnet near, but not touching, the fuel. If it were magnetic, it would be attracted to the mignet. It won't be. Molecules in diesel are random, and no magnets will ever .change that. .N Some devices claim to alter the molecular most of us, I would love to find that magic bean that enables Jack to climb the beanstalk to find h ean d fortune, or at least the fortune part. But every year at every truck show, new products appear, and disappointed buyers h d that all they've done is enrich the sellers, not themselves. The wonderful pill that dissolves in the fuel tank to increase fuel mileage and reduce emissions is one of the latest. How does it work? When asked, the sellers say, "It's a secret. We can't tell you. But trust us, it works." I'd love to see such a thing, but if I had the patent rights, I'd approach a major oil company and offer them exclusive rights. Wouldn't you line up for a premium fuel that gave you 10 percent better mileage than the other guy's fuel? That would be the way to sell it. Don't tell me that big oil won't want it sold and will conspire to keep it off the market. Competitive advantage is far more important to oil companies than concerns about market size. considering todas9s make ofi to cure ~ ) ~flufelf m z m ew oes structure of diesel, implying that they cut -.-- -- apart long chain molecules. If you could cut diesel molecules, it would no longer be diesel. Shorter molecules such as octane and heptane are components of gasoline or gases, not diesel. They would totally screw up burn rates and injector timing, and would likely damage a diesel enpe. A dozen years ago, there was a press conference at the Mid-America Truckmg Show about a fuel-line device. The gadget spliced into the fuel line. Inside was a triangular-shaped ceramic bar that the presenter claimed had "a proprietary blend of noble metals that conditioned the fuel" before it entered the injectors. Some noble metals, mainly platinum, are catalysts that improve combustion. But a catalyst - a substance that assists a process but is not consumed by it - must be in contact with the reaction, in this case combustion, inside the engine. But passing fuel over a specially shaped substance containing who knows how much or how little platinum? I don't think so. One of the most outlandish claims was a sticker with a hologram on it. Placed on the outside of fuel tank, "the hologram captured the son's energy and changed the molecular structure of the fuel inside." Huh? What kind of physics is that? By the way, the product info really said "son's energy." Controlled, turbulent airflow can assist carburetors to mix fuel under controlled conditions. But we don't have carburetors any more, certainly not in diesels. Placing a vane system that twists the air in a diesel intake accomplishes nothing. By the time the air goes through the turbo, the chargeair cooler and the intake manifold, any turbulence has disappeared. Chemicals, of course, are always proprietary secret formulas, I believe in fuel treatments for winter operations, for water and organic control, to improve lubricity and to'clean injectors or keep them clean. Cleaning dirty injectors will restore fuel economy, but any chemicals otherwise claiming improved mpg need to prove it to me. Now you may better understand that I do have a double standard about devices and products that claim fuel economy improvements. I readily write about those that seem to make sense, products based on known science. But those that make claims bordering on the impossible can't expect me to accept their claims with only testimonials. I insist on industryrecognized, independent testing. Those are my standards, just for writing about products. The manufacturers are asking you for your hard-earned money. Shouldn't you be at least as demanding before you part with it? LL Rzul Abelson may be reached at ~ruckwn'rer@anet.corn. LAND LINE 101 Matthew Moore May 14th, 2006 - 6:19 AM Re: Fuel again he wants indpendent reports. here u go. i have als e mailed it to the guy. u all keep lumping us with a another company that is cheating people. but here read this. Date: Tuesday, May 09, 2006 10:22:33 PM From: Bio Peformance Subject: Exciting Letter from the Manufacturer!!!!!!!!!!!!!! AR Asociados Consultores May 8, 2006 Mr. Lowell Mims President of BioPerformance, Inc. Mr. Gus Romero Vice President of BioPerformance, Inc. Dear Mr. Mims and Mr. Romero, Because of the recent slanderous remarks by the news media concerning our product, we would like to clear the air once and for all. We protect our product from any false accusations. We will now correct the false accusations concerning our product being made from moth balls, being toxic, hurting vehicles and not giving people any savings. As you well know, naphthenates, naphthalenes, and other compounds from the same family are derived from hydrocarbons aromatic substances like camphor, gasoline, petroleum, soft coal, or from the camphor tree. Naphthalenes were obtained from the tree, and then, in more recent times, from soft coal. They are combined with metals, organic components, etc., to obtain a naphthenate. We use organic naphthenates. When a naphthalene is converted into a naphthenate, we change the frequency and together with a dispersant we get a very large surface for the catalyzer to work. Catalyzers work by surface and not by mass. This is why our product is made of naphthenates, not naphthalenes. Naphthalenes are much larger crystals and are not useful for our purpose. Therefore, our product is not mothballs. Maybe if you use naphthalene, it may work a while, but you need to have a larger surface for it to work as a catalyst. The frequency of the matter allows us to work much better in catalyzing. This transformation makes the crystals we use, when they contact the gasoline, because of the dispersants, disappear and only the molecules stay. Also, as you can see in our Security Officers Material Safety Data Sheet, our product is not toxic. I know if you put a piece of carbon and a diamond under the chromatographer, they both are the same product: carbon. However, we all know, they are not the same. During the 50 years of testing to get our product working by many people, we have never had any trouble with vehicles, as the product completely dissolves in the combustible, and thus becomes part of it. However, if the gas or diesel tanks have too many impurities, the gas lines and filters may clog. The product takes about 8 hours to act at 100% dissolving skims, incrustation of HC existing in tanks, tubes, pumps and injection systems, cleaning them as time goes by, depending upon the thickness of such incrustations. It does not harm the combustion system in any way according to our ISO 9000 Lab Tests. By now, from the many testimonies you have (these are the real field tests) and we also have many testimonies, you know that you can get a hefty savings at the pump. This will depend on driving conditions, car maintenance, etc and in the long run you will find your motor runs cooler, makes less noise, and will generally perform better. The product comes in different colors because we are dealing with enzymes. The reaction of the enzymes may vary and therefore the color. It works just the same no matter what color it is! Because of the increase of the feeling of extra power using our product, it can cause some people to accelerate more, which causes a negative effect on fuel economy. Simply stated from our certified ISO 9000 tests, you can save up to 25% or more on fuel with optimal driving conditions. Email: mktruckingexpress@hotmail.com Website: http://www.fuelsaverdoc.mybpbiz.com Contact # 801-652-8743 Matthew Moore May 14th, 2006 - 6:22 AM Re: Fuel ISO 9000 TEST 1 THRID PARTY I. LAB TESTS a) The flash point according to norm ASTM D92-52 (oC) FUEL WITHOUT PRODUCT WITH PRODUCT DIESEL 64 62 DIAFANO 72 70 FUEL OIL 101.5 98 b) DENSITY (G/CM3) norm ASTM D287-39 FUEL WITHOUT PRODUCT WITH PRODUCT GASOLINE 0.750 0.750 DIESEL 0.820 0.820 DIAFANO 0.820 0.820 COMBUSTIBLE 0.965 0.965 c) VISCOCITY (CPS) norm ASTM D88-44 FUEL WITHOUT PRODUCT WITH PRODUCT GASOLINE 1.40 1.40 DIESEL 2.14 1.88 DIAFANO 2.11 2.11 FUEL OIL 858.70 813.70 d) CHEMICAL ANALYSIS norms D-129; D-811-41 QUALITATIVE (%) QUANTITATIVE (%) CR-NEGATIVE FE-TRACES CR 0.000 FE 0.044 V-TRACES NI-NEGATIVE V 0.058 NI 0.000 MO-POSITIVE S-POSITIVE MO 0.187 S 0.870 W-TRACES W TRACES e) CORROSION TESTS norm ASTM D-665 Plates of iron, steel, aluminum, copper and brass were placed in different fuels (gasoline, diesel, diafano and fuel oil) with and without the PRODUCT respectively for a period of 5 hours, finding no changes or traces of corrosion in any of the plates after that period of time. f) SATURATION TEST To find the saturation point, we obtained results on the flash point and viscosity, adding 1,2,3 and 4 tablets per liter to each of the fuels respectively in separate tests. VISCOCITY (CPS) FLASH POINT (oC) Gasoline without PRODUCT 1.40 NOTE: FLAMMABLE IN Gasoline 1 tablet 1.40 ALL CONCENTRATIONS Gasoline 2 tablets 1.40 Gasoline 3 tablets 1.40 Gasoline 4 tablets 1.39 Diafano without PRODUCT 2.11 72.0 Diafano 1 tablet 2.11 72.0 Diafano 2 tablets 2.11 72.0 Diafano 3 tablets 2.11 70.0 Diafano 4 tablets 1.88 70.0 Diesel without PRODUCT 2.14 64.0 Diesel 1 tablet 1.88 62.0 Diesel 2 tablets 1.88 62.0 Diesel 3 tablets 1.88 62.0 Diesel 4 tablets 1.88 62.0 Fuel Oil without PRODUCT 858.70 101.5 Fuel Oil 1 tablet 813.70 98.0 Fuel Oil 2 tablets 794.80 98.0 Fuel Oil 3 tablets 784.60 90.0 Fuel Oil 4 tablets 651.20 90.0 Recommended usage based on the above-mentioned results: GASOLINE 4 TABLETS (12.2356 gms) for very 100 liters DIAFANO 4.5 TABLETS (15.0365 gms) for every 100 liters FUEL OIL 3 TABLETS (8.4267 gms) for every 100 liters DIESEL 3 TABLETS (8.4267 gms) for every 100 liters II FIELD TESTS a) YIELD IN AN INTERNAL COMBUSTION ENGINE WITH ADEQUATE CARBURATION; TYPE OF VEHICLE- JEEP RAMBLER, 83 MODEL, 4 CYLINDER, RECENTLY TUNED. Fuel Liters Distance Traveled Km/L Approx Yield (%) Gasoline without PRODUCT 35 150.5 km 4.30 --------- Gasoline with PRODUCT 35 160.3 km 4.58 6.50 (1 tablet) Gasoline with PRODUCT 35 178.5 km 5.10 18.60 (2 tablets) The results displayed above show a savings of 18.60% with the use of the PRODUCT . b) PERFORMANCE IN A BOILER, FORGE FURNACE AND REHEATING FURNACE USING DIESEL BOILER WITHOUT PRODUCT WITH PRODUCT AMOUNT USED HOURS/WORK 20 hours 20 hours Consump/hour 65 liters/hour 52 liters/hour 2 tablets/65 lts Total consumption 1,300 liters 1.040 liters FORGE FURNACE WITHOUT PRODUCT WITH PRODUCT AMOUNT USED HOURS/WORK 20 hours 20 hours Consump/hour 210 liters/hour 175 liters/hour 6 tablets/210 lts Total consumption 4,200 liters 3,500 liters REHEATING FUR. WITHOUT PRODUCT WITH PRODUCT AMOUNT USED HOURS/WORK 20 hours 20 hours Consump/hour 135 liters/hour 111 liters/hour 4 tablets/135 lts Total consumption 2,700 liters 2,220 liters TOTAL FUEL OIL USED 8,200 6,760 SAVINGS: BOILER: Consumption without PRODUCT 65 liters/hour Consumption with PRODUCT 52 liters/hour SAVINGS: 20% FORGE FURNACE Consumption without PRODUCT 210 liters/hour Consumption with PRODUCT 175 liters/hour SAVINGS: 20% REHEATING FURNACE Consumption without PRODUCT 135 liters/hour Consumption with PRODUCT 111 liters/hour SAVINGS: 21% Average fuel savings: 22.20% General working conditions: Atmospheric pressure: 586 MM HG Temperature: 25o centigrades CONCLUSIONS: 1. The additive PRODUCT is made of aromatic and aliphatic derivatives of petroleum, which easily dissolved in the different combustibles tested (gasoline, diesel, diafano, fuel oil), improving their combustion, increasing their efficiency and reducing consumption. 2. The organic components of this additive caused no problems within the combustion chamber. 3. The use of the additive in gasoline and diesel increases the production of carbon dioxide (complete combustion) and reduces the production of carbon monoxide (incomplete combustion), thereby reducing pollution by carbon monoxide. 4. The color of the additive does not affect the coloring of the combustibles tested. 5. The presence of molybdenum in the additive may be useful since it contains lubricating properties. Without With PRODUCT PRODUCT Viscosity S.F. at 50oC ..... 97.4 97.1 Carbon residues % in weight 4.864 2.122 Sediments % in weight . 0.015 0.006 Caloric Power BTU/lb .. 14783.57 15126.98 Email: mktruckingexpress@hotmail.com Website: http://www.fuelsaverdoc.mybpbiz.com Contact # 801-652-8743 Matthew Moore May 14th, 2006 - 6:23 AM Re: Fuel The following is an extract from lab tests performed at an accredited ISO-9000 laboratory. ISO 9000 TEST #2 AGAIN THIRD PARTY PROOF!!!!!! Results Date Sept-22-05 Type of Test 505-HOT Organization Bio Fuel Additive/Device NO Vehicle Type VW Catalytic Converter NO Year Model 1995 Sedan Combustible Gasoline License Plate Inertial mass (lb) 2000 Motor (litres) 1.6 Road cargo (hp) 7.7 (@ 50 mph) Transmission MANUAL Equipment operator Vehicle weight (Kg) 820 Vehicle operator P. B. V. (Kg) Observations Odometer PARAMETERS Cycle 505 Barometric pressure (mmHg) 584 Temperature (°C) 21 Vapor pressure (mmHg) 15.65 RPM 10690 Mix Vol. 2434.8 Distance (km) 5,717 Relative Humidity (%) 47 DT Ratio 17.4 READINGS PARTIAL RESULTS Sample Room (grams) (g/km) CO 1309 51 136.72 24.25 CO2 78 2 750.9 131.36 HC 1283 77 14.45 2.53 NOx 610 21 7.48 1.3 FINAL RESULTS CO CO2 HC NOX FuelEff. g/Km g/Km g/Km g/Km Km/l 24.26 131.36 2.53 1.31 13.49 Results Date Dec-19-05 Type of Test 505-HOT Organization Bio Fuel Additive/Device YES Vehicle Type VW Catalytic Converter NO Year - Model 1995 - Sedan Combustible Gasoline License Plate Non Inertial mass (lb) 2000 Motor (litres) 1.6 Road cargo (hp) 7.7 (@ 50 mph) Transmission MANUAL Equipment operator Vehicule weight (kgs) 820 Vehicle operator P. B. V. Observations Odometer 60423 PARAMETERS Cycle 505 Barometric pressure (mmHg) 505 Temperature (°C) 17 Vapor pressure (mmHg) 14.53 RPM 10699 Mix Vol. 2130.96 Distance (km) 5692 Relative Humidity (%) 42 DT Ratio 17.2 READINGS PARTIAL RESULTS Sample Room (grams) (g/km) CO 1342 49 147.76 24.98 CO2 78 5 721.05 122.59 HC 1240 23 14.5 2.45 NOx 718 21 6.11 1.38 FINAL RESULTS CO CO2 HC NOX FuelEff, g/Km g/Km g/Km g/Km Km/l 24.98 122.89 2.48 1.38 14.08 Results Date Dec-19-05 Type of Test 505-HOT (2) Organization Bio Fuel Additive/Device YES Vehicle Type VW Catalytic Converter NO Year - Model 1995 - Sedan Combustible Gasoline License Plate Non Inertial mass (lb) 2000 Motor (litres) 1.6 Road cargo (hp) 7.7 (@ 50 mph) Transmission MANUAL Equipment operator Vehicle weight (kgs) 820 Vehicle operator P. B. V. Observations Odometer 60425 PARAMETERS Cycle 505 Barometric pressure (mmHg) 555 Temperature (°C) 17 Vapor pressure (mmHg) 14.53 RPM 10703 Mix Vol. 2437.83 Distance (km) 5.857 Relative Humidity (%) 42 DT Ratio 20.9 READINGS PARTIAL RESULTS Sample Room (grams) (g/km) CO 1288 58 133.74 22.53 CO2 63 5 573.17 97.56 HC 1144 54 13.09 2.23 NOx 643 21 7.24 1.24 FINAL RESULTS CO CO2 HC NOX FuelEff. g/Km g/Km g/Km g/Km Km/l 22.83 97.86 2.23 1.244 17.00 SUMMARY OF RESULTS CO CO2 HC NOX Fuel Efficiency (Km/l) Sep 05 24.26 131.36 2.53 1.31 13.49 Dec 05 24.98 122.89 2.48 1.38 14.08 % change 2.97 -8.45 -1.98 5.34 4.37 Dec 05 22.83 97.86 2.23 1.24 17.00 % change -5.89 -25.50 -11.86 -5.34 26.02 Email: mktruckingexpress@hotmail.com Website: http://www.fuelsaverdoc.mybpbiz.com Contact # 801-652-8743 Matthew Moore May 14th, 2006 - 6:28 AM Re: Fuel GO TO MY WEB SITE AND U SEE BOTH OF THESE. THEY DO NOT COPY FROM THE SPREED SHEET VERY WELL. BUT STILL CAN READ THEM AND SEE. Email: mktruckingexpress@hotmail.com Website: http://www.fuelsaverdoc.mybpbiz.com Contact # 801-652-8743 Tom Cobb May 14th, 2006 - 4:50 PM Re: Fuel Matthew I don't know why you wasted some much site space on the survivor disertation. It means absolutely nothing. For your information, your ISO 9000 certification only certifies the process you use to obtain your results, NOT THE RESULT THEMSELVES. ISO standards have nothing to do with your product doing what it says it will do. You do not seem to get the point of what we are saying. These scams have existed for many years and still exist and until it is proven with verifiable 3rd party testing in real trucks driven by real truck drivers all your words mean nothing. The OOIDA article says it right. If this product worked the oil companies would jump on it in a heartbeat. The oil companies are not afraid of someone having a device or pill or whatever to increase fuel mileage. They will still sell just as much as they are selling now...so if it works they would want to use the pill to provide fuel that increases fuel mileage and then they would all want it and your company would sell it and they would get rich by selling out. Your scheme won't work here no matter what you say so why don't you go somewhere else and quit clogging up this site will propaganda. Email: bigttransport@sbcglobal.net Matthew Moore May 14th, 2006 - 5:13 PM Re: Fuel How could the oil companies use this. Let me think we three different octane levels of gas. do you know how much it would cost to have every gas station in american add a fourth pump and tank. look at E-85 no one wants to carrie it because u have to add another tank or drop a product u already carrie and upgrade all your seals on pumps and handles and clean tanks. no wonder oil companies do not ofer this stuff. when is the last time u saw a oil company give a **** about gas prices or about saving the american people money or finding our own oil here in the great USA. They are not!!!!! I will quite posting. but I am glad u are happy supporting the middle east and exxon and have closed minds. no of u have tried this so u will never know. and if did not work u would have a bunch of ****** of people right. but anway good and luck to u all. Matthew Email: mktruckingexpress@hotmail.com Website: http://www.fuelsaverdoc.mybpbiz.com Contact # 801-652-8743 Kelly's Hotshot & Equip May 15th, 2006 - 9:54 PM Re: Fuel ***** yourself I have tried it.. P.S. BIG SUPRISE IT DIDNT WORK.. but Im sure I didnt use right or something..Yea thats got to be it... Email: kellyshotshot@adelphia.net Kelly's Hotshot & Equip May 15th, 2006 - 10:11 PM Re: Fuel and another thing, Mr. Moore You never answered my question about your personal mileage and how much it helped you. out of all that typing you couldnt fit that in weird. I dont know if anybody else noticed while going down the road but there is more drilling rig sticking up now more than there has ever been so I dont think it is from lack of trying... Im not defending any of them but I dont think we can blame them for the fuel consumtion we are all a big part of... come on if they shut down we would all be sitting at the house..no thanks Email: kellyshotshot@adelphia.net D. Green May 17th, 2006 - 5:19 PM Re: Fuel I know MM may not read this, but I sincerely hope he didn't lose much money. read front page, this date: nbc5i.com/news[/i] Texas AG Shuts Down Alleged Fuel Pill Pyramid Scheme Irving-Based Operation Claimed Increased Gas Mileage UPDATED: 2:33 pm CDT May 17, 2006 DALLAS -- Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott on Wednesday filed a lawsuit and obtained a temporary restraining order and asset freeze against Irving-based BioPerformance, Inc., which markets a fuel pill it claims will boost gas mileage and save consumers money. The company is organized as an illegal pyramid scheme, according to a news release from the state. The company's ads claim its gasoline pills and powders have a non-toxic "top secret gas pill" that can increase fuel efficiency by 30 percent or more and cut harmful emissions by up to 50 percent. "These claims are bogus; the pill does absolutely nothing to improve gas mileage. The company is merely a smokescreen to trigger the recruitment of more and more paying members into what appears to be an illegal pyramid scheme," Abbott said. ...read the rest of the story at above site....[/i] Email: drgreenco@gmail.com Rose May 25th, 2006 - 5:39 PM Re: Fuel ok ok, back to fuel prices. lol 3.19 in Barstow, CA today. almost a 100 dollar bill to fill up. Email: rose_pack@msn.com Contact # 817/645-4973 |