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Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2006 3:15 pm
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larry latham
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Feb 3, 06 - 9:19 PM log books
is there a site for the proper way to keep your log books and can someone explain the sleeper berth way of keeping a log book i read the pamphlet but dont quite understand it tks
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They've changed these laws up so much recentley I could even be wrong but I'll tell you what I know anyways. Larry you can drive for upto 11 hours and work and drive combined for no more than 14 hours. Once you meet the 14 hours you must show a 10 hour sleeper birth break or off duty. off duty means away from the truck and your job. It's funny because off duty doesn't mean you are sleeping yet it's counted as resting.
You cannot go over 70 hours of work in a 8 day period.
After 70 hours of working you must take 36 hours off duty (home or motel) to get your 70 hours back.
If at anytime during your work week you take a 36 hour off duty break you automatically start over with a new 70 hours. The 36 hour restart is the best part about about the new laws. There's lots of times where I can show a 36 hour break to get the fresh 70 hours back. Remember each day that falls off, how ever many hours used in that day that fell off you can deduct it from you worked hours. So what that does is it lets you keep rolling as long as your under the 70 hour rule.
Hope this helps you. I'm sure someone will come along and have something negative to say about what I've told you here but I have been working a log book for 22 and only ever had 1 log book ticket and that was because I neglected to do it for an entire day. One word of advice I can give you is never burn up your on duty time not actually working or driving. Your only required to show 15 minutes for fueling and I show 15 minutes for a pre trip inspection. I was told recentley though by the federal DOT officer that owner operators aren't even required to show time for a pre trip inspection he said they could flag it when they start there 14 hour day?.Good Luck Gary.
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If I didn't cover what your wanting to know let me know. After typing all that in and posting it I read your question again and I'm not sure if I covered what you wanted to know about sleeper birth?
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You have to choose which way you are going to track you hrs, 7 day 60 hr or 8 day 70 hrs.
Go to the gov websites and search for hours of service or HOS. There are examples and a lot of good explanation of the log books.
There is some flexiblity in what you put on the book but just be sure it is clear and if you don't have a sleeper berth that you are not logging SB time. I have been checked for that and the DOT officer said they find a lot of hotshotters loging SB time. Some are team drivers and logging SB time and it is not legal to log SB when the other guy is driving if there is no SB. If you are not driving it is off duty time.
Max duty hours in a 24 hour period is 14 hrs of which ONLY 11 hours can be driving. The rest is off duty.
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Gary
IP: 71.118.25.177
Feb 4th, 2006 - 9:34 PM Re: log books
All my big trucks have sleepers. Since I started running a Dodge hot shot I've been getting motels.
Don't laugh now, But what I allways wanted to know is if a driver carried a tent in his truck would that satisfy the DOT as a sleeper berth. If the tent was the size of a sleeper or bigger how could they complain? After all sometimes on my off duty time I go camping. And why couldn't a driver sleep on his trailer with a sleeping bag if there's plenty of space? How can they force anyone to sleep in a box with the demensions the size of a coffen? I think I read somewhere a sleeper had to be atleast 75" long x 24" x 24". Is there a law that says a sleeper has to be part of the power unit or could it be on the trailer? Maybe I'll mount one on there? I guess when I get some time I'll have to call the Federal Motor Carriers and ask these questions. Unless some of you guys allready have these answers.
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It is very simple.
A DOT scale manger told me on my check up, 15 min inspec every morning or whenever you start your day, then you can drive 10 hours and 45 minutes ( your on duty is part of your driving time 11 hours together),
Then you have to show either 13 OFF DUTY or 13 SLEEP.
As long as you put 13 hours off duty they dont care where did you go or what have you done with your time, he said you can sleep on the roof you can sleep on the floor under the truck, we don't care as long as you not writing sleeper because a dually cab is not a DOT sleeper.
I run 15 inspec, 5-6 drive, 45 minute fuel & food as on duty and 10 driving, the rest will be off duty for 13 hours.
There is no need to drive over 10 hours a day.
if you do 650 to 700 a day you did good.
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Allen
IP: 65.191.202.170
Feb 4th, 2006 - 10:20 PM Re: log books
It didn't came right , sorry,
15 minutes truck inspec, 5-6 hours drive, stop for fuel and/or food for 45 minutes and then the rest of my 4-5 hours driving, the rest of the time (13 hours) will be off duty.
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DirtyDealer
IP: 66.61.66.247
Feb 4th, 2006 - 11:12 PM Re: log books
ok now what if running teams, but driving in a dually? can each of you do 14 hours, then have to claim off? Just every time one is driving the other claims off? not SB, just off?
But the crazy thing is, the back of my crew cab, with air mattress, is bigger, more comfy,and easier to get to than some SB's I have seen. I know I have slept in alot worse.
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Rose
IP: 63.235.241.127
Feb 5th, 2006 - 5:58 AM team driving
ok, I am experienced at this. Team in a truck with no sleeper berth is a pain in the booty.
If you are in the truck wether you are in the drivers seat or jump seat, you are still on duty.
You can not log OFF DUTY. You are either in the driving status or the on duty not driving.
You are eating hours either way.
SUCKS HUH..
A team can manage to get 14 hous of driving in but then the truck (team) must shut down for 10 hours.
You must watch the 70 hour rule close doing this.
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Rose
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Feb 5th, 2006 - 6:02 AM Re: log books
This is a previous post. My info was coming up under someone else. oops...
If you are running Hotshot in a typical 1 ton club cab. Your cab area is not large enough for DOT specs for a SB.
Lets see if I can do this so it is simple to understand.
You must have 10 hours sleeper berth in a 24 hour period.The SB may be divided into two periods (ONLY)
each period no less than 2 hours. EXAMPLE if you drive
8 hours and take and 8 hour SB then you can only drive 3 more hours before you have to take 2 more hours in the sleeper.
You must have 10 hours SB for every 11 Hours driving time.
Off Duty not driving does not count in your 10 hours BREAK unless you have 10 consecitive hours off duty.
Such as a motel or home break.
The simplest method I found was either run your 11 hours and take the 10 SB or 5 on 5 SB.
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DirtyDealer
IP: 66.61.66.247
Feb 5th, 2006 - 8:27 AM Re: log books
Well guess I should be glad I have to wait another couple weeks. Looks as though I will be playing "Bob the Builder" to try and meet the requirments. Such a shame to rip the inside out of a 06 truck. A true waste of Leather seats. But rather find out now, than thru a ticket.
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Gary
IP: 71.118.25.177
Feb 5th, 2006 - 10:59 AM Re: log books
I knew a guy once that took his new dodge over to Oklahoma and had it stretched and a fiberglass sleeper installed. Anyone know the name of this outfit that does this? Or what something like this costs? Motels can get pricy and i'd bet 6 months or so of motels costs would pay for it? Thanks
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This is one of the nicest ones I have seen. I have actually seen a couple of these recently at the FEMA lots. They seem a little pricey but when you add up the motels you could probably pay it off in a year.
Heres some food for thought, why hasn't anyone fabricated the back doors on the crew cabs to accomodate the length law for the SB? Would there be enough room as far as width and height? I would think it would be a cost effect alternative to buying a sleeper. Pop on some prefab doors, it adds 12-18" to the width of the truck and your good to go.
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Gary
IP: 71.118.25.177
Feb 6th, 2006 - 11:46 AM Re: log books
Tad that's exactley what I was looking for. The price is high but i could spend more than $8500.00 on motels in one year of running. I've thought about stretching my truck and putting a sleeper on it but haven't built up the nerve to let some one cut it in half yet. LOL. Tad have you seen these fiberglass half shells that mount right behind the cab on top of the bed? I'm just wanding if someone makes one that would qualify as a sleeper berth?
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That is exactly what I will be looking at tommorrow! going to MDOT, to have a talk with a few people, then to the camper place, to see if any are of the right dimensons. Heck atleast I have something to do while waiting around.
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I have looked around for someone else that builds a comp. sleeper to roadmaster and haven't found one yet.
If someone finds one, please post it, I would sure like to know of an alternative. You have to admit, that is one sweet sleeper for a hotshot.
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DirtyDealer
IP: 66.61.66.247
Feb 6th, 2006 - 8:05 PM Re: log books
Anyone looking for the exact requirments of a sleeper berth, let me know, I will either email or post (depending on response). Only took most the day to find!!
please post it. I also like the idea of changing the inside rear doors on a crew cab if it was wide enough.
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Tom
IP: 12.189.32.36
Mar 5th, 2006 - 2:31 PM Re: log books
I've been reading a lot of the post on this site and there is a lot of good information, as well as, shall we say confused information.
I found this site quite spme time ago. It has a lot of good information. Including logbook information. I liked it so well that I downloaded the file on my laptop to carry with me, as well as printing out a copy in color (best) to carry along to show a confused DOT type.
Thanks for the link to the website. I would highly recommend everyone to do a little refresher. The Nebraska training presentation is worth the time. Might save you some bucks.
I am glad I have only had a log book check once. I realized that I was incorrectly using the 14 hr rule. I thought off duty for meals in that period did not count against duty time. That ain't so. It is 14 hrs starting from the end of the 10 hr off duty and is continous unless you use a sleeper berth, which most of us don't have.
Also go to the FMCSA admin site under the HOS link and there are some good log book examples that can be printed.
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Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 3:30 pm
Going for broke
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No offense guys but you all need to get your log bok rules straight. The only somewhat corect post was from ROse pack but even in his post he mentions the 5 on 5 off method which you can no longer do. That was the prefered method of driving for teams in the past but the new laws state you have to take an 8 hour consecutive off duty or sleeper even if you are going to split log. The only split log you can do now is an 8 hr and 2 hr. So if you plan to split drive on a team all you can do is 10 hour shifts since the other driver needs ten hours off.
As for the sleper issue I see this as a big problem. DOT says it not only needs to be the right size but needs ventilation also. My question is if the new dodge mega cab would be big enough to qualify, or is it thewidth that is the problem?
How do you guys do it? DO you all do hotels or what? That is pricey.
The one thing I don't know about is can you just log it of duty? You can ad a sleper but I think you need to buy a cab and chassis truck and add it since I believe it is againt dot regs to stretch a frame on a vehicle with a gvwr under 80 lbs or something like that
Posted: Wed May 30, 2007 6:10 pm
Tom Cobb
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If you look at the dates of the posts you are critizing you will find they were made before the HOS rules changed to the current rules in Sep-Oct 06.
A sleeper berth has to be 75" long and 24 inches wide with a speific amt of mattress padding and type of mattress. Go to the following link for all you want to know about sleeper berths.
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Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 4:20 am
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Oops, I was thinking those rules changed in 05
I didn't mean to criticize either. Hope it didn't come off that way. But some of that information is just plain wrong regardless of when it was written.
Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2007 9:11 pm
TGPILOT
Joined: 30 May 2006
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Anyone needing correct information on logbooks and other legal stuff. Besides the FMCSA site, go to this one. They have great info.
I was wrong on the date of that change. it was in 2005. Sorry being critical in my reply and being in error. I was thinking that another minor change took place in 06.
How time flies when you are having fun!!!
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